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.....hkreporter的成立,目的是在培養人民質素,以提升民主、自由、開放理念為主,是一種另類的媒體。而對於人網的未來,有兩種方向:

1 保持低成本運作,盡量維持現狀
2 加大成本,擴充人網。這樣的話,必需要堅守幾個原則,這是我吸收以前的教訓得出的結論。而其中最高的原則就是它需要一個如維基、youtube的系統,可以使網友有機會參與而令內容自動增長。因為只靠職員有限的人力,是難以維持快速更新和豐富資訊的效果。

而要達到大眾參與的效果,我有兩個idea:
1 人民報導:
2 人民大site map
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現在睇返轉頭,簫先生究竟在諗緊乜野?以前的idea,點解無提?「其中最高的原則就是它需要......」----?????

而家搞一個討論區,就用到23人(又加兩人)---"只靠職員有限的人力,是難以維持快速更新和豐富資訊的效果"--- 討論區咋!簫生,你俾23人我用,保證可搞掂五個一如人網的討論區!
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草民
金牌會員

有些人新手上路, 入到黎就thanks, 有d就一黎就發帖,
令人驚訝他們來的目的是為了灌水還是和這裏的原居民交流

我唔敢話人地有問題, 但自己入到黎時係回帖為主, thanks個d就唔會出, 以免哂大家時間, 發帖也是小量, 反正大家認得對方

而家會員只是一萬多d, 但管理漸見不勝負荷, 見到好多灌水貼, 很多人盲目重覆同題目發新帖, 而家已是見怪不怪了, 愛莫能助

做版主的壞處是難以批評管理層, 呢d野留返俾我地做金牌會員, 何足道矣
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garyhui8888
管理員

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唔好誤會,我唔係指摘無妄及garyhui8888二人,so far,二人很努力。我亦無去批評什麽版面混亂的問題---這是小事,我只從扣分制度看到人網目前的管理關係的騎呢,唔知邊個係負責人,但出黎講野的人又講返內部野。
版面混亂的問題, 對我來說是件大事, 我亦對此非常不滿,
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其實網友係唔需要知道人網內部野的。坦白講,兩位義務管理員咁講,更進一步突出人網的騎呢。反過黎講,受薪職員不會講內部野,亦不肯負責出黎講---老闆的事,於我何干?人網缺乏一個head!(OK,我知道,他們在改進緊)。
講唔講我估都有原因,因為我估, 講乜都會有條友出來指教一翻..
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與其係甘, 不如靜靜睇大家想要乜.

ideal case係有一個好勁,乜叉都識又有錢的呀head,
但現實係要團隊工作. 大家思考下點做好去, 再比最高話事人決定
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第四個共識,網友上網及發帖就等於是幫襯人網---(唔好意思,朋友,市面上有N個討論區) ---garyhui8888講:「仲時不時比某小撮扮野沒貢獻之人  "叉腰睇錶" o甘鬧」,我希望garyhui8888指的不是「網友沒貢獻」。假如認為「網友無做義工=沒貢獻」,這個想法是很恢諧的。
兄台, 哩個係一個現像,
我唔係話果班人扮野有問題, 我只不過係指出哩個現像.
我覺得比意見 係好事, 當然有建設的功能上指正, 係非常正.
總好過一大堆management skills無胃呀媽係女人的理論, 來得實際.
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garyhui8888
管理員

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小弟既見解不甚全面, 純粹自娛
批評管理者比網友私鬥下場還要慘, 在此要求無妄兄保障我account 安全
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google 資料龐大, 但卻深諳貴精不貴多既道理, 所以只有寥寥數個廣告在右手邊, 收入不跌反升
而家人網主要問題是想通俗化, 想變得好全面, 但卻令原有特色失去, 幾十個版, 如何能精心打理?
龐大既人流再加上鬆散既制度令討論既質素每況愈下, 如果人網夠狠, 連thanks個d 言論都夠膽ban左佢 (好似白戶咁), 時事區可以做得更好

我遲d 會將之前寫既建議post集中係呢個post, 方便討論
一下子做太多討論區, 人影都冇隻, 開來唔知做乜.
集中做好幾個,再慢慢收集多些版友幫手, 借力打力, 先有得做.
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原帖由 garyhui8888 於 6-5-2008 22:37 發表  

版面混亂的問題, 對我來說是件大事, 我亦對此非常不滿,
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我講小事係指相對地黎講係小事,因為係眼見功夫,而且一路改緊。

但最斃係唔知亂的根源:
(首頁)---
●比如定位係乜網,邊辮lead邊瓣?
●用forum來包radio?抑或是Myradio之下reporter.com的定位?
●Myradio之下reporter.com的定位中forum個一塊係乜野位置?
●Myradio喧主奪主,ok,但宣傳重要?抑或俾人linkage以及俾人download重要?
(現在又發現Myradio和人網是同等地位,真係朝令夕改!)
●想唔想新viewers分得出forum同radio內容?兩者有冇關係?或者故意撈埋一齊?
●Myradio賣點係人抑或係內容?舊聽眾都己經知道,新網友入得黎亦會click下聽聽,唔使當首頁當街邊看板!哂哂D空間,但另一方面又好唔方便!
●Myradio其實只有「節目重溫、即時收聽」兩項,唔使搞得咁複什。(以前首頁即能click入收聽,現在要入第二頁,真低能!)
●其實只有「節目、討論區」兩項大內容,唔使係首首上分割重覆,上開網的人係唔重視這些的,最緊要係有快捷通道。學下大陸百度吖(Google又太過份,過猶不及)
●以上都是路綫問題,Gary是版面設計員嗎?你急唔黎,要老細蕭生摣定主意至得。
●hkreporter.com明明係一個forum網,仲未到香港討論區的成績,就想將首頁搞成入門網站咁款(大學都有八條title---指上一期)。但無內容,點入門。至於潘紹聰區一則有萬幾條,算唔算係內容,係草民所worry的問題,是另一個故事。
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bryan.ncf
中級會員

the biggest problem of all is that, 7 out of the 10 oldest members and other excellent members are gone and the decline in quality of posts and members. Unless the admin change their style of management and do something to invite them back, im not optimistic of hkreporter's future.

if we are aiming for being a content provider, the retention of talents is crucial.

if we are going for quantity and mass, then nevermind really, since hit rates are all that matters for ad earnings.

but then we'll just be another uwants, coupled with the excellent myradio. Such disparity will waste myradio if mr.shiu is really trying to create an intergrated and groundbreaking platform.

Just trying to give constructive opinion, hkreporter has always been my favroute site regardless.
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garyhui8888
於 6-5-2008 22:37 發表

但現實係要團隊工作. 大家思考下點做好去, 再比最高話事人決定

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呢個講法,概念上可修正,希望gary研究下。

比如打籃球,隊員要team work,領隊和教練是不需要的。領隊和教練需要有團隊精神,即尊重隊員,但不需要聽隊員的,因為work role不同。

做阿頭不需要通過民主來做野,阿頭要決定路線及決策,交代落去。如何做好佢,係隊員的職責。最高話事人係收唔收貨,唔係決定那是不是一項正確的決策---係就變咗狗追尾巴,沒完沒了。

至於最高話事人/阿頭有冇路線及決策,有冇決定,是他的事,有錢就得。搞網不是民主選舉。如果老細唔識,就請個識的人話事,如果衰咗,則炒,就係咁簡單。
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garyhui8888
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以上都是路綫問題,Gary是版面設計員嗎?你急唔黎,要老細蕭生摣定主意至得。
我唔係版面設計員,講真做成o甘, 一早人頭落地.
點比人睇.design嘛嘛唔緊要,
最on居係多舊魚,整好多懶係userfriend野
到最後比人小到飛起.

我個人好實際,大家放心!(大家唔駛驚屌完個版面比人ban, 因為我都屌緊)
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garyhui8888
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我講小事係指相對地黎講係小事,因為係眼見功夫,而且一路改緊。

但最斃係唔知亂的根源:
(首頁)---
●比如定位係乜網,邊辮lead邊瓣?
●用forum來包radio?抑或是Myradio之下reporter.com的定位?
●Myradio之下reporter.com ...

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甘多point非常正
等我print呢d 比蕭生睇下先.
另外,做web site 查實有少許野要define好,先好開波,
針冇兩頭利,又要勁玩design,又要userfriendly,又要易用,要取捨,同排piority.

另外,以下呢份問卷,係我自己公司做web project比客填.大家得閒睇下,幫手填下.

This Web Design Questionnaire was designed to assist you in the process of planning the target audience, purpose, and design of your web site. Whether you are planning a new site or redesigning an existing site, hiring a web designer or building the site yourself, filling out the information below will help you develop a targeted, cohesive, attractive web site.
Before filling out the form, please compile a list of web sites that contain features which you particularly like, and would like to incorporate into your site - as well as features which you do not like. This will be of great benefit when planning the layout, content, and interactive features of your site.
General Information
Contact Name

Title

Company Name  
Email  
Phone  
What is the nature of your business?  
Do you currently have a Website?  
If yes, what is the URL of the Website and where is it hosted?
1
What immediate goals do you have for this website?
2
What long-term benefits do you want this website to provide?
3
What outcome will make this website successful? How will you measure success?
4
How soon would you like to have the website up and running? If there is a deadline,
5
What is driving it?
6
What is your budget for this project?
7
Is there an acceptable budget range, depending on the level and comprehensiveness of services provided? What is determining the budget range?
8
Please identify any identity/branding assets (logos, other artwork, and fonts) or issues.

Please assign each of the below choices a value between 1 (least important) and 10 (most important) in the adjacent box:
1.
Obtain names, addresses and other information about visitors for use in mailing lists  
2.
Obtain demographic information about your customers through online questionnaires (marketing research)  
3.
Promote your product line / services  
4.
Have an online catalog  
5.
Brand ID (create an easily identifiable image)
6.
Market product line / services (through direct online sales)  
7.
Create an online community of dedicated visitors  
8.
Improve access to information (customer support)  
9.
Establish presence on the Web  
10.
Have a better, more effective Web presence than your competition
1.
What target audience(s) do you want to reach with this website ?
2.
What target audience(s) do you want to reach with this website ?  
3.
What are your goals for each target audience ?
4.
What sorts of products/services will you offer for each target audience?
1. Who will develop the initial website content? Who will provide updated content?
2.How often will you be adding or changing content ?
would you like xxx to maintain your website after the initial launch ?
if your answer is no,who will be responsible for maintaining the web site after launch ?
1
Is the current content in hard copy, electronic form, both, other?
2
What sort of content will be incorporated into the website
3
How often will you be adding or changing content?
A
Information about the company (history, employees, etc.)
B
Featured products/services
C
Number of featured products/services?
D
Online catalog
E
Number of products/services listed in catalog?
  Product/Service Order form
G
Visitor feedback form
H
Tips & tricks regarding your company's products/services
  Visitor suggestions for new products/services etc.
J
Contests / Giveways
K
Free stuff for filling out feedback form
L
Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)
M
Links to other websites
N
Other (please describe):
This is a very important part of this questionnaire. The more effort you put into researching this list, the better your website will be. Find the highest-quality site(s) (more is better) on the web that relate(s) to your website in the following categories. Please also note what specifically about the websites caused you to choose them for that category (e.g., a certain graphic or interactive feature that you particularly liked). Also, feel free to note sites that you really DON'T like - they can be just as important in designing the website.
1
Branding in a situation similar to yours (reinforcing an established brand, creating a new brand, etc.)  
2
Appeal to same target audience of customers:  
3
Colors, look/feel, user interface, layout:  
4
Scope/extensiveness of project:  
5
Attracting new people to the site (newsworthiness, giveaways, impact, etc.):  
6
Quality of content  
7
Quality of graphics Functionality/Interctivity (things sites do for people)
8
Community, special features, responsiveness, other categories important to your project  
9
Overall favorites sites (for whatever reasons).  
10
  
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garyhui8888
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呢個講法,概念上可修正,希望gary研究下。

比如打籃球,隊員要team work,領隊和教練是不需要的。領隊和教練需要有團隊精神,即尊重隊員,但不需要的聽隊員的,因為work不同。

做阿頭不需要通過民主來做野,阿頭要決定路線及決 ...


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